Hobart hardcore dissidents Pinchgut ‘bored of fuckboys and dude-bros’

By Danger Coolidge
Unbelievably Bad Editor

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Pic: Scoutt Winter

Pinchgut have just unleashed their debut self-titled 7” on One Brick Today, and Tasmanian political / feminist hardcore has never sounded so good.

Formed out of alliances made in both the punk scene and a local reuse / demolition / recycling co-op, the band – Tim (guitar), Lara (vocals), Jordon (bass), Leigh (guitar) and Jesse (drums) – is dedicated to railing on various injustices. And let’s face it, there’s no shortage of them right now. With the world on its current desperate trajectory, Pinchgut are not interested in being a soundtrack to people’s apathy.

UB asked Lara, Jordon and Tim to offer some insight into their music and motives…

 

 

What inspired Pinchgut to start up?
Lara: The demise of Anti-Chynus – one of the few political punk bands in Hobart at the time – and noticing Tim and Jesse’s talents laying fallow at the Resource tip-shop.
Jordon: Me and Lara were inspired by the organised punk scene in Europe after spending four months there and really wanted to start a band and a community space in Hobart when we got back. Both missions were accomplished with Pinchgut and the Arts Hall (Arsehole), an event and practice space in Ferntree on Kunanyi.

What other bands have the members been in and what bands are you currently in?
A whole bunch – some of whom have released and toured, others lasted only a short while such as Kitchener, Thrall, All the Weathers, Ruins (Tas), Anti-Chynus, the She-Rats, Shloff, the Satin Worshippers, Ruiner & the Threshold Forms, the Houseguests from Hell, The Shits (Tas), Disseminate, Hobart Improv Collective, Elementary Particles, Deathbed Conversion (Tas), Unslug, Babydigger, Cälm and H.O.G., while Leigh also used to do sound for the mighty Sea Scouts. All of us are currently are just in Pinchgut.

How do you describe Pinchgut’s sound to dumb idiots?
Lara: I don’t think it makes you an idiot to not know punk genres. We are what we are. I’m not invested in being a music snob and I don’t pretend to know all the things about music and genres and bands and who was in which band with who. I spent too much time when I was younger trying to impress people, dudes, to feel accepted in this scene. I like what I like, I support bands that I like and I sing about the stuff that is important to me. I love punk and hardcore especially when I know the people making the music aren’t all dude-bros. I want to see more of it so that’s the music I decided to make.
Jordon: Genre wise you name it and someone in Pinchgut will be into it. So to sound like a certain type of punk wouldn’t be right. You could call Pinchgut anything you like because it’s all good tucker.
Tim: Not sure anyone in our band likes happy house as a genre but could be wrong. We all bring something different, not just styles of hardcore but from all over the place. We haven’t set out to sound like anything. We just write songs and see if they work. I mean, I love Tragedy and Discharge or The Clash but why start basically a cover or karaoke band? If you look at the early SST catalogue it is such a diverse selection of amazing bands (Black Flag, Husker Du, Minutemen, Meat Puppets, the Canadian Subhumans, Saint Vitus, the Dicks, Saccharine Trust, Stains, Descendents, etc.) all sound really different but have some sort of common connection and it is a real shame that punk/ hardcore has become so fractured into almost mutually exclusive subgenres instead of mixed bills and open minds.

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Pic: Scoutt Winter

What are your primary collective concerns? What does Pinchgut “stand for”?
Jordon: We’re on the same page politically, we have a lot we want to say about gender inequity, worker exploitation and growing inequality, rape culture, indigenous rights, colonisation, refugee and migrant rights, fascism, state and religious authority. We’d like to see more bands in Hobart getting active and standing up for people. That’s old hat for punk in other places but not in Hobart, well, at the moment anyway.
Lara: I’m bored of fuckboys and dude-bros in Hobart. I feel the most yearning to live in bigger cities when I go out to ‘heavier’ shows in Hobart and it’s all just mostly apolitical dudes. It’s important for me to create a platform where I can yell my politics at the apathetic bored kids. I don’t always feel in a preachy mood when we play but often times the environment calls for it.
Jordon: Cis men dominate most gigs, and I wonder what people think when they contemplate that, if they do at all. If people don’t think it’s inequity, then do they think men are better or more deserving than women? Either way you think about it, it’s fucked and needs to be talked about.
Tim: All music is created by people within a social context so I’m not convinced that there is such a thing as an apolitical band – including commercial pop bands. What you choose to sing or not sing about is your choice. It reminds me of the Howard Zinn quote/ book “You Can’t Be Neutral On A Moving Train”. We keep getting angry bands who sound great but if you unpack it at all they’re saying nothing so it ends up feeling like it’s just a pose or narcissism – throw a fit, get a pat on the back, be cool and fit in. In a wider context, most of us live pretty disempowered lives with so few opportunities to have a voice. For me the excitement and inspiration of punk/ hardcore / the DIY underground scene (whatever you sound like) is reclaiming that opportunity and creating space or a community to make connections with others who do not fit in or agree with how things are. Doesn’t mean all bands should have overtly political lyrics at all but I want bands who are real and authentic. I really don’t understand angry sounding bands screaming about basically nothing or a rotting corpse (they’ll never see) or about an ex-girlfriend when there are real Nazis marching in their streets or people having to use food banks in the year 2016.

Tell us all about the 7″ EP, such as when it was written, when and where it was recorded, and who helped?
Lara: This EP has been such a long time coming. We had been playing the same set forever and wanted to move on so we needed to record what we had before doing that. There were some intense times during all of it. We had a plan to record it in January 2015 but before we could, one of our guitarists Leigh got in a very serious car accident on his way to band practice. He ended up needing to stay in hospital for six months and has lost a lot of the use of one of his arms. So we held off a bit through all of this and ended up recording without him in March (with his blessing, of course). We recorded at Rat Palace in Hobart with Nic White with help from Dale Evans. We smashed it out in one very long day at one point with two of Tim’s young daughter’s stopping by to head bang.
Tim: Both Nic and Dale have been in some great Tassie hardcore bands in the past too – The Scandal and Skun Knees / Social Death Squad / Future Envy.

What’s the plan for the rollout of the record – on the incredibly credible One Brick Today label?
Jordon: We’ve always been a fan of One Brick and what they stand for. Some of the best Oz releases I’ve heard have come out on OBT. We’re all wrapped to be on the coattails of that fantastic Thorax record (which personally was my favourite record of 2015). Grey Places, Canine, RVIVR, Palmer Grasp, Agatha – what’s not to like? A great label. It also means it will be available on Nettle Records run by Bex of Agatha in the USA, too! Extensive touring is pretty tough for us (due to kids / work / etc.) but we hope to do a few shows here and there to promote the record. We’d also like to get some more bands down from the mainland so if your band would like to come to Tasmania, get in touch, you’ll have a blast.

 

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66 responses to “Hobart hardcore dissidents Pinchgut ‘bored of fuckboys and dude-bros’

  1. I mean pinchgut are a good band for sure but this interview was just oozing with smug condescension. It is possible to have a political band and come across in interviews without sounding like a sanctimonious dullard.

    I lean left on the political spectrum and I agree with most of your points but you are laying it on a bit thick, It’s like you are trying to say anyone who doesn’t write music about genocide or politics is a shallow poser and all “Cis” males are inherently guilty of something by virtue of their nature.

    I get it, it’s not acceptable for most people to be racist/sexist or partake in the more traditional forms of bigotry anymore, so how can people find new and fun ways to generalise and hate each other with the same dogged passion? I suppose in this century tribalism can be an effective tool in the whole process. I’m sure the allure of the far left SJW clique can be strong and we’ve all gotta get that smug elitist fix somehow! But remember kids fanaticism is always lurking on the fringes.

    Hell what do I know, this could just be a case of the old “My art is more art than your art.”

    Either way, blergh.

    We get enough politics in all forms of the media as it is, can someone just enjoy music without the sickly posturing and self-congratulatory bullshit, or even without getting accusations thrown at them? I thought music was universal but I guess you have to pick your side on that too…

    • I can proudly say I’ve performed a show with Pinchgut, and have another lined up, and I heartily agree with them.

      Musically, they aren’t a preaching band. When you see Pinchgut, you aren’t seeing a vocalist on a pulpit giving a lecture while the rest of the band wanders around awkwardly between songs. You’re seeing an inventive hardcore band with real passion behind their work destroying the stage and themselves. You see radical music, that refuses to bow to conventional structure, that takes pleasure in discomfort, violence (At least as far as performance goes), and heart.

      But lyrically, they are a pissed off band, and it comes through in every bit of their presentation.

      I know they’re going to get flack for their political opinions, but that’s punk. It’s meant to be about something. There’s a lot to be pissed off about, and it makes sense to be political. Being avowedly apolitical is in and of itself a political stance, and what it leads to is a bunch of boring songs about violent responses to unrequited love. I don’t think there’s any merit to bowing to political correctness and letting the bros have their way. Apolitical means you’re happy with the status quo, and quite frankly, I’m tired of that. “If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention”. “Boredom is Counter-Revolutionary”.

      Personally, I feel as though having something real, having something tangential, to be pissed off about, gives you that much more drive, that much more reason, to give a performance your all, and to go all out. And the folks from Pinchgut are friendly, humble, and kind, especially to other bands. When I first played a gig with them, my band had played 3 gigs, and one of them was utterly rubbish. Yet Tim was incredibly friendly, and chatted warmly to us afterwards, and was ridiculously good to us. I didn’t even realise their vocalist was their vocalist until they started kicking ass on stage. You don’t see that a everywhere, and it’s really inspiring to up and coming acts. It’s real humility and humanity. It’s not an ego, it’s not an act. It’s a bunch of people making music out of what they believe.

      There are a lot of issues that affect all of us, and I don’t think the punk scene is helped by refusing to address them. It’s just a dumbing down of the music. “I’ll make my music boring, I’ll make my music slow, I ain’t no artist I’m a businessman, no ideas of my own” Take out the passion, the politics, and the edge, and what you’re left with is sped up pop stealing riffs from metal, rather than the raw anger and performance of a real punk act. I wasn’t inspired to do this by people singing about how a girl didn’t love them enough, and what they wanted to do to them because of it. I wasn’t inspired to do this by drug abuse. I was inspired by bands making artwork out of complaining about electoral reform, out of working class angst, out of existential dread and analysis of the systems that run our societies, by musicians who put their bleeding souls bare singing about the things that made them want to kill themselves, by real heart.

      Real punk acts aren’t about conforming to your sensibilities, they’re about challenging, and through sheer musicality and force of personality, bringing you around to their way of reasoning. And that’s exactly what Pinchgut does. What it reminds me of is Minor Threat. “Salad Days” and “Straight Edge” would regularly get them threatened, or outright into fights, for challenging the orthodoxy of drinking and drug abuse, and that’s really taking a stand. And as someone with an inch of spine, I can appreciate that even if I don’t agree with their perspective, glass of goon in hand. If you’re complaining about how you, as a cis straight dude are offended by music not being for you, how people are sick of everything catering to you, I’d invite you to look to how everyone else feels about just about every other band. Think of how sick gay and bisexual people are of acts making homophobic comments and playing gay-baiting antics on stage. Think of how under represented trans folk are. Because they are the true underground. I thought punks were proud of being “offensive”, but apparently that only extends to rude t-shirts, bigoted remarks, and doesn’t extend to questioning the status quo.

      Perhaps I’m less inclined to bite the hand that feeds and bash on the audience (Apart from dissing their choice of alcoholic beverage), but I feel having that sense of personality and perspective is great, and it’s something I strive for in my lyric writing, the ability to combine political statements with heartfelt sentiments and get the meaning across. And I have to respect the courage of anyone who’s willing to go there.

      When my act plays, typically we can expect to see between 5 and 10 dudes going at it. It’s always guys, and it’s always tempered by the fact that dudes are the ones who are the ones who feel safe. And I understand that. I’m safe at a gig, because there is nobody meaner than me who’s going to hurt me more than I can hurt myself. But as a musician, and as a member of a band, what I want to see is EVERYONE coming in, everyone getting as close as possible, and everyone having a good time, and as a punk, I feel that it’s my job to leave the audience understanding a little more of everyday injustice and cruelty, and understanding a portion of my political perspective. And that does mean tackling the fact that the people who can get down at shows are overwhelmingly a certain sort of men, and while I love them too (They make up 50% of my band), it’s not just for them. It’s for the gay kid who’s been told that he doesn’t belong and he should kill himself. It’s for the guy working minimum wage who’s been exploited and abused by his bosses. It’s for the men and women who’ve experienced sexual assault. It’s for those who don’t feel they fit in, who don’t feel like they belong, like I never did. It’s me, reaching out to them, to feel what I feel, to feel that they’re not alone, and to have a time together celebrating how we’ve been hard done by. It’s not just about me. If I really wanted to, I could wade in there and flatten everyone. But it’s not. It’s about reaching out to those who don’t often have that, and I wish I could find the way to express it vocally without feeling that cringe of stealing someone else’s spotlight, someone else’s cause.

      I’ve probably said too much, but that’s my piece. I’m long winded, it’s why people hate me. I’d happily share a stage with them again at any point in future. And maybe their opinions come across as obvious or twee, but remember, we’re living in a country that can’t decide between a sexist, racist, homophobic political party and a slightly less homophobic and sexist, but equally racist political party, while they boil the planet and manage concentration camps, while queer kids disproportionately kill themselves and rape goes unpunished, all so you can be paid less than you deserve so you can spend your cosmic miracle of a life working until you’re 60 just to hopefully have enough to get yourself through your twilight years. It looks like we’ve elected the Liberals, and we’ve given Jacqui Lambi and Pauline Hanson seats just for good measure.

      More thought to it than “God Save the Queen”.

  2. Wow hotdogs – couple of reactions to your reaction.

    We in no way think we are better/ self congratulatory or whatever or that cis men are to blame for everything. If it comes across as that then that’s a shame.

    Simply having fun or enjoying yourself is of course hugely important (especially when times are tough) and rebellious sometimes too but we are asking though why so many punk/ HC bands that scream and are supposedly angry about stuff are saying nothing.

    We are not a preaching band and I think you can ask any band who has played with us (the apolitical ones too) if we are arrogant or smug or whatever & I reckon that’ll make you see us possibly a different way – but when asked why we have politics in our music then part of us being in a punk band is that we want to raise questions and are genuinely angry at how fucked up the world is, not in an abstract way, but issues that impact us and (for those of us in the band who have them) our kids in the future too.

    We have already been told we are going to cop lots of flack – so keep your head down, say nothing – so it is appreciated that you take the time to lay out what you think in a way that isn’t just mindless reaction and hatred. Anyways onwards and upwards…

    • Don’t get me wrong I’m not having a real dig, I suppose with such a clickbaity title It was easy to be baited.

      It was more a comment on the times, with everything so polarised it’s all too easy to dehumanise people (whether they be immigrants, racists or even dude-bros). Combativeness and shaming aren’t always the most effective tools to enlighten. All the constant political posturing no matter how well-meaning it might be, I think it’s only really serving to divide.

      I guess we all have to learn to take ourselves a little less seriously.
      But then again we might be mistaken for being apathetic.

      Quickly! Back to posturing everyone!

      • Aye. Your comment though was good as it started a good discussion in the band. Unlike the second from John which just had us laughing and was a good starting point for much piss taking in the band.

        Not about what we are saying but more how we said it or come across so that’s not a bad thing. You know we are not a professional band with a PR company and all under pressure with work, raising kids, etc. and spending hours writing analytical essays for each question just wasn’t going to happen so while we know where we are coming from it made us realise that other people who haven’t met us don’t.

        We are a really supportive band/ people for a vibrant diverse inclusive DIY scene down here. For me I also want those bands to be real (even if it is just to say lets party). And honestly, while I would like to see more politically engaged bands I also fear things becoming like the anarchopunk scene of the 80s – where some of the worst tedious political lyrics can be found (but also the absolute best too). So asked why we are a political band my answer in the current climate is why aren’t there more?

        Anyways close to going in circles. Cheers/. Back to posturing.

    • I can proudly say I’ve performed a show with Pinchgut, and have another lined up, and I heartily agree with them.

      Musically, they aren’t a preaching band. When you see Pinchgut, you aren’t seeing a vocalist on a pulpit giving a lecture while the rest of the band wanders around awkwardly between songs. You’re seeing an inventive hardcore band with real passion behind their work destroying the stage and themselves. You see radical music, that refuses to bow to conventional structure, that takes pleasure in discomfort, violence (At least as far as performance goes), and heart.

      But lyrically, they are a pissed off band, and it comes through in every bit of their presentation.

      I know they’re going to get flack for their political opinions, but that’s punk. It’s meant to be about something. There’s a lot to be pissed off about, and it makes sense to be political. Being avowedly apolitical is in and of itself a political stance, and what it leads to is a bunch of boring songs about violent responses to unrequited love. I don’t think there’s any merit to bowing to political correctness and letting the bros have their way. Apolitical means you’re happy with the status quo, and quite frankly, I’m tired of that. “If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention”. “Boredom is Counter-Revolutionary”.

      Personally, I feel as though having something real, having something tangential, to be pissed off about, gives you that much more drive, that much more reason, to give a performance your all, and to go all out. And the folks from Pinchgut are friendly, humble, and kind, especially to other bands. When I first played a gig with them, my band had played 3 gigs, and one of them was utterly rubbish. Yet Tim was incredibly friendly, and chatted warmly to us afterwards, and was ridiculously good to us. I didn’t even realise their vocalist was their vocalist until they started kicking ass on stage. You don’t see that a everywhere, and it’s really inspiring to up and coming acts. It’s real humility and humanity. It’s not an ego, it’s not an act. It’s a bunch of people making music out of what they believe.

      There are a lot of issues that affect all of us, and I don’t think the punk scene is helped by refusing to address them. It’s just a dumbing down of the music. “I’ll make my music boring, I’ll make my music slow, I ain’t no artist I’m a businessman, no ideas of my own” Take out the passion, the politics, and the edge, and what you’re left with is sped up pop stealing riffs from metal, rather than the raw anger and performance of a real punk act. I wasn’t inspired to do this by people singing about how a girl didn’t love them enough, and what they wanted to do to them because of it. I wasn’t inspired to do this by drug abuse. I was inspired by bands making artwork out of complaining about electoral reform, out of working class angst, out of existential dread and analysis of the systems that run our societies, by musicians who put their bleeding souls bare singing about the things that made them want to kill themselves, by real heart.

      Real punk acts aren’t about conforming to your sensibilities, they’re about challenging, and through sheer musicality and force of personality, bringing you around to their way of reasoning. And that’s exactly what Pinchgut does. What it reminds me of is Minor Threat. “Salad Days” and “Straight Edge” would regularly get them threatened, or outright into fights, for challenging the orthodoxy of drinking and drug abuse, and that’s really taking a stand. And as someone with an inch of spine, I can appreciate that even if I don’t agree with their perspective, glass of goon in hand. If you’re complaining about how you, as a cis straight dude are offended by music not being for you, how people are sick of everything catering to you, I’d invite you to look to how everyone else feels about just about every other band. Think of how sick gay and bisexual people are of acts making homophobic comments and playing gay-baiting antics on stage. Think of how under represented trans folk are. Because they are the true underground. I thought punks were proud of being “offensive”, but apparently that only extends to rude t-shirts, bigoted remarks, and doesn’t extend to questioning the status quo.

      Perhaps I’m less inclined to bite the hand that feeds and bash on the audience (Apart from dissing their choice of alcoholic beverage), but I feel having that sense of personality and perspective is great, and it’s something I strive for in my lyric writing, the ability to combine political statements with heartfelt sentiments and get the meaning across. And I have to respect the courage of anyone who’s willing to go there.

      When my act plays, typically we can expect to see between 5 and 10 dudes going at it. It’s always guys, and it’s always tempered by the fact that dudes are the ones who are the ones who feel safe. And I understand that. I’m safe at a gig, because there is nobody meaner than me who’s going to hurt me more than I can hurt myself. But as a musician, and as a member of a band, what I want to see is EVERYONE coming in, everyone getting as close as possible, and everyone having a good time, and as a punk, I feel that it’s my job to leave the audience understanding a little more of everyday injustice and cruelty, and understanding a portion of my political perspective. And that does mean tackling the fact that the people who can get down at shows are overwhelmingly a certain sort of men, and while I love them too (They make up 50% of my band), it’s not just for them. It’s for the gay kid who’s been told that he doesn’t belong and he should kill himself. It’s for the guy working minimum wage who’s been exploited and abused by his bosses. It’s for the men and women who’ve experienced sexual assault. It’s for those who don’t feel they fit in, who don’t feel like they belong, like I never did. It’s me, reaching out to them, to feel what I feel, to feel that they’re not alone, and to have a time together celebrating how we’ve been hard done by. It’s not just about me. If I really wanted to, I could wade in there and flatten everyone. But it’s not. It’s about reaching out to those who don’t often have that, and I wish I could find the way to express it vocally without feeling that cringe of stealing someone else’s spotlight, someone else’s cause.

      I’ve probably said too much, but that’s my piece. I’m long winded, it’s why people hate me. I’d happily share a stage with them again at any point in future. And maybe their opinions come across as obvious or twee, but remember, we’re living in a country that can’t decide between a sexist, racist, homophobic political party and a slightly less homophobic and sexist, but equally racist political party, while they boil the planet and manage concentration camps, while queer kids disproportionately kill themselves and rape goes unpunished, all so you can be paid less than you deserve so you can spend your cosmic miracle of a life working until you’re 60 just to hopefully have enough to get yourself through your twilight years. It looks like we’ve elected the Liberals, and we’ve given Jacqui Lambi and Pauline Hanson seats just for good measure.

      More thought to it than “God Save the Queen”.

  3. Pinchgut are the biggest bunch of middle class trust fund losers you would ever want to run into. Safe to say that if they’re on the bill go somewhere else!

      • My pleasure Tim, glad you got a laugh. I got a good laugh too, as I’m sure a lot of bands are.

      • Lahh Rah, I love this music… enough with men having it all! fuck that! White men run everything. Womyn stand for power of equality. We are the power comrade! xo I have already let my friends know about this and a new normal is in action.

  4. I Think You May Have Been Misinformed. We Could Fit Our Combined Wealth In A Baby Sock And Still Have Room For The Kids Foot.

  5. The argument that you can’t discriminate against men to fight for equality is a dead argument. We want equity, equality is not good enough. The current crisis in male violence against women can’t be fought with women expected to remain polite and non-combative. When women’s voices are belittled, degraded and spoken down too It’s pathetic for men to come off all sensitive when women shout back. Especially because this is punk, traditionally an aggressive and powerful outlet for voices against oppression. Get punker!!!

  6. Its pretty easy for you to take yourself “Less seriously” when your not on the receiving end. Why should you care about these issues if they don’t affect you? And then when people speak up you act like it such a drag, and why can’t we just have fun? Well maybe your fun is at the expense of others and its hard for you to imagine why people are angry. Well try listening and you might figure it out.

  7. And i know you think your not one of “those” dudes. But your writing to a feminist punk band to tell them they should tone down the rhetoric because it bores you. Do you realize how typical that is? You attack with a belittling comment then tell the band not to be combative. This is typical of the current debate surrounding these issues.

  8. I was only compelled to comment on this article because I’ve seen pinchgut a bunch and have met a few of the members in passing and know they are good people, I can assure you that arguing with feminists on the internet is is fairly low down on my to do list.

    It just saddens me when someone with a good message goes about communicating it in such a seemingly counter-productive way. Notice how I didn’t have an issue so much with the content but its delivery in the article and I will concede I was a bit impassioned in my first post and perhaps a little heavy handed with my writing. The band were good sports about it and hopefully it caused some good discussion.

    Maybe I should have been clearer in my main gripe. Them saying they are so more validated than everyone else in their screaming/anger in their music because it’s about “real issues” that affected “them”, maybe it’s just me but it seemed a little egocentric. I don’t know, It’s very hard to try to engage in this type of conversation without all the reactionary crap. It’s almost impossible to give any form of criticism given the sensitivity of people’s feelings towards the topics involved. I understand these issues are serious, but it felt like the band members were taking themselves too seriously in the article, almost to the point of being farcical.

    I would hope the “taking yourself less seriously” thing I talk about is compatible with still having your principles, and trying your best to not be an asshole to people and all that other wholesome stuff.
    But if it isn’t, and thinking this interview was coloured with little hints of ego-driven posturing, and just for once trying to call it out makes me one of “those dudes” well I suppose that’s unfortunate for both of us.

    Just some food for thought, and speaking of food this will be my last comment as hotdogs should not get stale.

    • True, hotdogs should never get stale.

      But I know from experience that singing about the things that personally effect you, that matter most to you, totally make a difference to your vocals, and your music, and your work.

      I know it can seem egotistical, but for me, personally, the most personal song, the most real lyrics that I’ve written, weren’t about being abused by my parent, weren’t about my grandfather dying, weren’t about my feelings on immigration. They were about my treatment in the workplace, the everyday abuse, the use, the fact that I was a cog in a machine, a slave to a greater corporate power. Sometimes I’m embarrassed by the fact that the best stuff I’ve done isn’t about our political system, or about domestic violence, but I’m proud of the fact that when I sing the song about it, there’s no question of doubt in my mind, my heart or my voice about the topic. That I know the topic well, having been the subject, that, having been the victim of that abuse, my discontent with the world around me, gives me the power to project my voice, my opinion, my perspective as a human being like any other.

      The most pride I’ve ever inculcated into lyrics, of anything I’ve written, comes from my personal experience. It gives my that passion, that drive, that keeps me going, after I’ve screamed the air from my lungs. Nobody can take that from me. Nobody can ever question it. It’s not just empathy, because it is me. It’s not just me trying to stand up for someone else, it’s not just me summing up something I don’t have the ability to comprehend. It’s me, as an adult man, as a human being, addressing the conditions that kept me, and it’s never felt realer than that.

      It could sound egotistical. But as a vocalist, your choices are ego or appropriation. The former is real, the latter, I’m always going to second guess what the people I want to help think about my words, and whether I’m doing what I mean.

  9. I think it is a huge mistake to conflate egotism with impassioned pleading. It is a mistake to conflate egotism with frustrating boredom of surrounding apathy. Yes these issues affect ME. If you read, heard or conversed with any of the band members about the lyrics you would see that many of them are autobiographical. If you have the experience of walking down the street your whole fucking life being constantly leered at maybe you would be frustrated by the dude bro scene too. If you have comforted countless friends through the recalling of their sexual abuses maybe you would be frustrated by surrounding apathy. If you live within communities that talk about mutual aid, responsibility, self governance and then have dude bros consistently undermining your autonomous actions, maybe you would be frustrated by surrounding apathy. If you had experiences of being told you shouldn’t encourage inexperienced women to perform as musicians, perhaps you would be frustrated also and want to reach out through your music to express that. If you have witnessed a society in which gender norms have hurt people, in which trans people are ignored, ridiculed, killed, perhaps you would write songs about it and plead for people to listen and care. Perhaps you would be frustrated when your peers didn’t. If you have spent time witnessing 3rd world conditions of indigenous communities whilst the government evicts rather than aids whole communities and takes away more children now than it did during the stolen generation era, and you look around your “community” and see that no one cares to even talk about it but would much rather celebrate smoking bongs… maybe you’d be frustrated and wanna plead with your peers to care about something besides themselves… or maybe you wouldnt..
    The level of “seriousness” articulated is in relation to how seriously we take these issues. The interview is an extension of the content of our lyrics and express just the tip of how pissed we are. If you think Blink 182 have as much to say as Crass then dust off their records and give em a listen…We don’t think you have to be overtly political to be effective but we play political punk over Blink 182 because it’s far more effective in sending a message. A message which you seem to have skipped over while defending your position in a Cis-het white male dominated punk scene. You’re belittling the message because you don’t believe we have the right to express it. Typical. You’re saying we shouldn’t stick our noses out, confidently, that we should be “Nice” about it or risk being “egotistical”. That comment is an example of the very problem. Women have been told to remain nice despite being abused. Women have to engage nicely with men if we want the message of feminism to get across. My feminism doesn’t pander to that shit. Punk music is not nice!!! So we agree that punk music doesn’t have to be overtly political, that’s why we play it, because by its very nature it’s a fuck you to niceness and compromise, so why the thinly veiled contempt? Looks like we really did hit a sore spot with the dude-bro fuckboy sentiment huh? People who are engaged with these issues aren’t shocked or offended by those terms, it’s not new. We have queer friends who don’t go out because of Dude Bro abuse. That’s not punk. Abusive dude bros are not “Nice”. Dude bros often dominate space and have no respect for equity because they’ve never been challenged, this is expressed in your comments. We want to be challenging and get people thinking by expressing our personal experiences. You’ve missed this point while belittling our right to express anger while defending your right to not care. And so if we’re talking about condescending egotism check the tone of your comments. And maybe find a mirror.

      • Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you dude.

        Someone talks real shit and all you can do is play some gaslighting game of talking shit about mental illness, about a band you’ll never see, about a scene you’re almost certainly not a part of. Just go away. Nobody cares that you’re offended, nobody cares that you’ve got a thin skin about the real problems of this world.

        You’re not a punk, you’re a conservative. I hope you enjoyed voting for Turnbull.

  10. But seriously, I highly doubt all the ‘dude bros’ and ‘fuck boys’ are ‘leering’ at you when you walk down the street, because, you know, you are the size of a small car and look like a man.
    And if that didn’t stop them your breath would, having been at one of your gigs I can attest that your breath would stop a dog that has just eaten a turd in its tracks.

  11. One more comment.
    If anyone thinks that I am trolling I say yes, of course I am and would hope it would come across that way.
    But before I’m dismissed as the troll that I am consider this; How would you feel when you pay money to go to a gig just to be treated with contempt because of the bands preconceived notions of who their audience is.
    Reading this interview confirms this beyond a doubt.
    When a band has a problem with the fact that men, Cis (white) men in particular, are at there gigs, you know you’re dealing with a bunch intolerant (circle) jerk-offs. Ive met Liberal Party and One Nation supporters who are less conservative and dogmatic than this lot.
    So when I read interviews like this where a band slags off 90% of its audience I don’t mind showing the same courtesy
    and firing a couple of cheap shots back.
    Is it childish? Sure.
    One last thing, any band reading this and thinking about playing with Pinchgut might want to wonder why they have been in some dozen
    and a half bands, some for a short amount of time….

    All that aside I do think they make pretty decent music, not that I expect anyone to believe that!

  12. If 90 percent of the audience are abusive scumbags like yourself then yeah I think you could read contempt. Hopefully that’s not the case. You prove everything they say is valid and provide a good example of how fucked dudes can be.

  13. to “John”, if you had actually ever been to any of the gigs we organize, you’d know a lot of them are free so people get to watch my small car bod jiggle around for free.
    Hey, we have a gig on the 17th, i’ll gladly put you on the door and you can come and say this to my face.

    • Thats very generous of you but I could only accept if you promise to brush your teeth for the occasion.

      Actually, as luck would have it, Ill be at a Free West Papua Fundraiser the night before your gig on the 17th, I notice Pinchgut are on the bill too. Now I know that contradicts my first comment about avoiding you all play at all costs and recommending others do the same but as its for a very worth cause ill be there.

      Now I wont say anything at that gig as I don’t want you to spoil the evening for everyone, but the next night for sure! Put me on the door, wheres the gig at?

      • It’s ok, I’ll be at that one, and I’ll be performing on the West Papua gig.

        I’m sure you’re not actually man enough to show, but feel free to start shit. I’ve not yet had my nose broken by an attendee of a show I’m on, and it’s on my bucket list.

        Mind being less of a dickhead while you’re there? I mean, why the hell would you be going to a show when you feel like a vocalist might not be toothbrushed enough for you to objectify.

        Don’t worry though, my goon-ladden ciggie breath will be in your face for as long as the stage will put up with me, and I’ll happily make out with you afterwards. I doubt that you’d want that, but, you know. We can’t always get what we want. On the plus side, at least by my rating, i’m sexier than anyone.

  14. Whoa! Hold up there a second loonyyy.
    Firstly, Whats with this “man enough” business? Who gets to decide whats ‘man enough’, you, the patriarchy? That’s some really problematic ideas you are spouting there, and says a lot about your character in my opinion.

    Secondly, whats with this idea in your head that I would be “starting shit”? I explicitly stated in my last post that I wouldn’t for the good cause of the fundraiser. You either didn’t read that or chose to ignore it. Furthermore, I’d never get violent with anyone, the only people talking violence here are you and Lahh Rah with your thinly veiled threats. Again that’s very problematic for what should be obvious reasons.

    Ill be at the gig alright and you wont even know I’m there, mainly because your sexual advances will be unwanted, I don’t care how ‘sexy’ you think you are, That should go without saying how wrong and problematic your rape threats are, but I have to call them out and condemn them when I hear them.

    You would like to think that a punk gig would be inclusive and free of violence and sexual assault at the very least from those musicians performing but apparently not, how sad.

    • Hey Lahh Rah, will you or any members of your band condemn the rape culture that loonyyy aka the singer from Roma Antica, is perpetuating, or are you all a bunch of rape apologists?

      I’m thinking that I wont go to this fundraising show now because it doesn’t feel like a safe space.

      This quote from Cal Tidey is extremely triggering:

      “Don’t worry though, my goon-ladden ciggie breath will be in your face for as long as the stage will put up with me, and I’ll happily make out with you afterwards. I doubt that you’d want that, but, you know. We can’t always get what we want.” – Cal Tidey

      NO CAL TIDEY I DON’T WANT THAT. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED JUST FOR GOING TO A GIG OR EXPRESSING THEIR OPINION.

  15. Its no coincidence that john uses the same language to body shame as rape apologists use to excuse rape. It’s cut from the same cloth. Body shaming like slut shaming is an attempt to belittle and degrade women to maintain a structure that supports male violence. It’s no coincidence that third wave feminism studiously analyses the linguistic source of violence in our culture. Cheer for the example john.

    • Nah, Lahh Rah gets as good as she gives, shes just not as articulate with her creative writing skills as I am.
      Remember this all started because I expressed an opinion that they (Pinchgut) are a bunch of obnoxious wankers (If you don’t believe me just re read the interview, the writings on the wall) and for my opinion what does she call me, a fuckboy thats what. I get called a derogatory term for the crime of expressing an opinion.
      Then everyone else piles on.
      Now my medication comment was inappropriate and I have admitted as such by stating that I’m trolling from that point, as I said before, when I read interviews like this where a band slags off 90% of its audience I don’t mind showing the same courtesy and firing a couple of cheap shots back.
      An inappropriate comment will receive an inappropriate comment, but I’d never stoop so low as to make violence or rape threats.
      Also in my defense of that inappropriate medication comment – did you read Lahh Rah’s rant in response to Hotdogs perfectly well reasoned opinions? it was totally uncalled for in my opinion.
      Body and slut shaming is also uncalled for and I’m only guilty of the former, by choice, I was trying to be provocative, it was in no way a display of my casual ignorance. I was trying to get a rise as a troll (as I stated) and it worked.

      In fact it seemed to work too well because now Lahh Rah is making thinly veiled threats of violence to me if I turn up to the gig and Cal Tidey, well, ‘ol mate Cal just went into full blown rape mode with his comments (although I suspect that as he wrote them at 4:30 in the morning he probably had a skin full of drink is is pretty embarrassed about the now, given the problematic nature of his rape threats)

      So here we are, Hotdogs expressed some valid points about the interview in a very elegant way and got shot down by most members of the band, again and again. So i decided to chime in in a more vulgar way and got put against the wall by the band as well. Now I expected that but I sure didn’t expect the violence and rape threats, and all because they cant seem to take any criticism.

      If this interview didn’t expose them for the arrogant elite wannabees that they are then their comments sure did, and they did it all themselves.

  16. This is laughable. There are so many things to pick apart that I don’t even know where to start. Mate, I said come to the show and we’ll talk it out. Stop twisting this shit around. People can read and see it for exactly what it is. A fuckboy crying about being called out. Do yourself a favor and find another hobby. I’ll do myself a favor and move onto reading something more interesting. Anymore words you write here will not be seen by me.

    • I had hopes you would at least try to pick apart what I’m saying apart Lahh Rah but you just aren’t an intellectual heavyweight (Insert body shaming joke here)
      Its obvious to everyone reading that the reason that you aren’t go to respond is because it would take some Olympic worthy double think to explain away how you are comfortable with Cal Tidey’s rape threats.
      The rest of the bands silence is noted as well.
      I know you wont read this so ill just leave it at that.

  17. Crikey – it’s a bit of a shock to see the level that some of this trolling has stooped to. Pinchgut, are among a handful of great bands around Hobart at the moment who I not only enjoy (both musically as well as for their lyrics and music empassioned with meaning and integrity), but who also have been collaborators in many of the great punk shows we (Ironhawk) have organised and/or played over the last few years. So on that note, I thought I would add my 5c worth to this.

    Ironhawk too, is a politically charged punk band. Every lyric is grounded in the real world whether directly addressing the ills of the neoliberal hegemony the military-industrial complex, aesthetically recreating the tension of a volatile and unjust world, or conjuring dystopian futures through words and sounds that are based in the dire trajectories of the world around us in its present state.

    I disagree with the notion that most people who come to gigs are apolitical. I do see how that can come across though, by the ugly wave of bigoted, lazy, piss-taking and at times frighteningly misanthropic culture, that has seeped into the periphery of the punk scene in Hobart, as with many other places. And it’s the vocal whinging of the trolls that reinforces a perception that gigs are an unwelcoming and elitist place.

    Cis-men dominating gigs I believe is true, however is also not an exhaustive analogy of what I see as several intersecting factors that are coming in to play, such as misogynistic characters, latent racism (and with some, overt racism), misanthropic ironic personas, consumer suburban life and its disconnect from reality, purile ‘shocking’ and ‘edgy’ humour, to name a few, among various other bigotries from all areas of the cultural fabric and political spectrum (yes, no social group is infallible and I have witnessed plenty of examples of despicable behaviour/attitudes that are ruining the scene here and the DIY punk scene is no exception).

    Anyhow, I didn’t find that the article suggested that cis-male dominance is the sole explanation for bullshit attitudes that lurk around the scene. Macho attitudes are a very significant component of this, however, and I certainly think that the article is indeed correct that this is a significant component of what has contributed to an ugly side to gigs down here.

    And this is I feel is summarised by an overbearing attitude exhibited by people lurking around the punk scene that bemoan anyone having a voice about real-world issues as being too “pc”. In doing so, this creates a vapid atmosphere that silences those of us who with courage and integrity, express, interpret, and confront, the wrongs of the world through punk music.

    Punk is, and always has been, political. Because its aesthetic and content has for most of the part been grounded in topical and real-world content– and that’s where the appeal of punk has been since 1976, where the likes of the Pistols and the Clash revolutionised music away from the self indulgent pap of seventies rockstars (ie Yes, Roxy Music etc..). Punk is set in reality – unlike genres such as black metal or prog rock which tends towards fictitious/fantasy imagery and lyrics. Obviously there are exceptions, plenty of metal has topical/political content (ie bands such as Nuclear Assualt, and vice versa there are plenty of bands who fall under the punk banner who sing about nonsense (ie Lawnmower Deth)

    But the point is – you can enjoy it – or fuck off. If you go to a punk show, then expect that some lyrical content might be confronting. Your disdain of political content at a punk show is equivalent to someone attending the opera and feeling like there was too much singing. Or watching a football match and being upset that the two teams were not making it easy for each other to score goals. Politics is inherent to the genre, and if you don’t like it, don’t attend.

    And on this point – whinging of things being ‘too pc’ is actually showing nothing more than a nervous and awkward self reflection, that you perhaps feel threatened of ridicule at gigs that you are unsure of yourself at. Nobody is quizzing you on key points raised in songs after a show, other than perhaps yourself. If you take something from it, then great. If it goes over your head, you are probably not going to be as judged as you claim to be.

    There is no fence to sit on as ‘apolitical’. Your very statement ”hotdog” of music being “universal” (presumably by this you mean all-inclusive?) has not always been the case throughout history. Perhaps before mocking those who see music as a political statement, observe how your own appreciation of music (whatever that is) is not created in an apolitical vacuum. Of course, unless your tastes happen to be religious hymns or military marching music.

    The content of the trolling here has been anything but apolitical. By entering a discourse of ridiculing the position of pinchgut (or other bands who speak out on issues) you are in turn, taking a position. If you think that music should only be fictitious, funny, or trivial, you are taking a position. Asserting that pinchgut are “posturing”, is a discourse of ridicule, that is clearly from your position that bands are to refrain from singing about anything serious. (I am still unsure what you mean by ‘posturing’, and why it is bad? Would you like bands to sit on chairs when they are on stage? Ironhawk is the most postured band I have ever played in and most people think its fucking awesome when we do!)

    You see, some of us feel as though there is more to punk than living through a persona of ironic jest, and we seek meaningful inspiration through the genre, from listening to records to being a part of a culture that for many of us has opened up our world to a plethora of incredible ideas, people, politics, and sounds. For many of us it’s a very real alternative to the dominant hegemony of consumer/macho/selfish culture and all the twee bullshit that comes along with mainstream culture. For some it is inspiring at a distance, for some it complements their other struggles, and for some of us it is crucial to our way of life.

    You don’t have to understand it, or agree with it, let alone be a part of it. Nobody is going to miss you as you fade further into your solitary bedsit of sniggering at those who speak with integrity as you dare not.

    As for the childish personal attacks in the thread, I don’t think its worth even bothering to respond to that sort of antagonism. I’ll just leave that lingering like the bad fart that it is.

    Ps – can Ironhawk also be beneficiaries of this apparent tru$t fund?

  18. Oh, how embarrassing for John. I guess a lot of words have passed and it’s harder to scroll up and reread? He’s fallen back on some pretty well worn troupes getting his hotdogs all mixed up and acting persecuted.
    Some insults preclude and support violence and some don’t. If john had experienced violence as systemic and directed at him he would understand the difference straight away.
    John thinks he’s being ironic by comparing being called out with systemic misogyny and abuse.The difference is that john deserves to be called out however no women deserves to be spoken to like he did in his comments.
    John thinks women deserve to be body shamed online and can’t see how that connects to rape culture, slut shaming, street harassment and discrimination.
    John thinks that being called a “fuck boy” reaches parity with degrading and violent language directed at the female body for the duration of a women’s life. Frankly i could justifiably call John worse then “Fuck Boy”.

  19. Dear John “every cis man”,
    Politics of punk music/community aside-
    How dare you speak to my friend like that.
    You are a cruel, unkind, hateful person. It musn’t feel good to be you.
    If you can only find it in yourself to be kind to women who you deem conventionally attractive, you are looking at an extremely sad and lonely existence.
    You are just awful. If I ever come across you anywhere other than the internet, I won’t sit idly by and let you treat people I love with such misplaced disdain.
    I repeat you are a cruel and unkind man. You make me ill.

    • Dear “Ace”
      Well at least we can agree on your friend not being conventionally attractive. And to be fair, If I was you and had friends like that who are ok with rape culture I think I’d feel ill as well.

      • You have to be kidding me. They’re okay with rape culture? Have you READ the fucking interview? And how is it that your personal attacks to not perpetrate rape culture? There is no split between physical and non physical violence. So if you’re going to be violent, don’t cry foul when it comes back to you. Beauty is a construct. Created and sold by capitalism. So why the fuck do you bother with punk if you buy into that nonsense.
        You are garbage.
        And I would like to relocate your front teeth to the back of your throat. You don’t like violence? Don’t be violent.

      • You make me ill. You do. Don’t you flip it back on my friends. Dumbass.

        I also don’t subscribe to conventional beauty or beauty standards, so I happen to find my friend beautiful.

        You could look like Charlize Theron and I’d still find you an ugly piece of shit.

    • Hey Ace, I could care less what you think about anything, be they beauty standards, conventional or not.
      And your threats of violence are sadly not shocking nor surprising.

      • It’s so crystal clear that you don’t give a shit about what anyone who is not cis male thinks.

        Come to the show on Saturday or fuck off.

      • Oh Ill be there alright Ace, you can bet on that.
        But don’t think ill be outing myself, between you and Tim’s explicit threats of violence, Lahh Rahs less explicit, or unconventional, if you will – threats of violence, And rape happy Cal Tidey’s sexual assault threats, it would be really unwise and unsafe to do so.
        I will be there though, watching the bands play and having a good time.

    • Actually Ace I take back my comment about not caring less about what you think. I re-read your first comment and something stuck out that has piqued my curiosity:

      “Politics of punk music/community aside”

      Would you care to elaborate on that any further?

      Even if its just to clarify its the Hobart ‘scene’ you a talking about.

      • As Tim said, Coward.

        Welcome to how minorities feel every fucking day. At gigs, at the pub, on the street, in the fucking supermarket.

        I’m done. Come and speak to our faces or don’t say anything here that you wouldn’t in any other public space. Trolling isn’t funny or productive. It cements some pretty nasty ideas.

        I said politics aside because I didn’t want to talk politics. I wanted to tell you what I thought of you after making those disgusting hateful comments.

        You’re garbage, I’m done.

  20. I think Pinchgut are really great. I really like the energy of their shows, their songs and their lyrics. They are not only a great band, but a collection of really decent human beings. The subjects of their lyrics address real issues that affect my life, and they make the scene a more welcoming place for nonbinary and queer people like me. Go Pinchgut! Say it fast n loud and keep doing it. ♡

  21. John/dog
    Lets call you what you are a COWARD.

    In 30 years of punk gigs I have seen it time and time again – whether Fugazi, Bikini Kill, Doom, Shellac, Jesus Lizard, Los Crudos, and a million smaller bands you won’t have heard of there’s always someone like you the nasty heckler, the person who brings violence to gigs, the arsehole who trashes a venue (and the town loses another venue), the one who tries to bring it all down because that is so much easier than actually creating or contributing something themselves – like you trying to get people to boycott our gigs/ bands not to play with us (strangely enough since this interview we have been contacted to play more gigs with new bands on the mainland too) – but the people in this band (yes some of us have been doing this since the early 1990s – oh yeah perhaps that is why there are so many bands we have played in before) have literally put on 100s of gigs, lent equipment to/ cooked for scores and scores of bands/ given those bands somewhere to sleep, run record labels/ distros, released vinyl/ tapes/ CDs/ fanzines, created live venues/ cheap rehearsal spaces, set up pirate radio stations, run radio shows, been on countless demonstrations and involved with a heap of political actions. What the fuck have you contributed to make this underground music scene better? Name me one fucking band or anything you have done?

    Anyone reading our interview and then seeing the absolute bullshit personal attack you have made on Lara – can see you for what you are – and you have illustrated exactly what we are talking about. Sadly something that woman know all too well and men do not have to put up with or even think about. Seen as you know us so well how has it not been apparent to you genius that the band is made up of mostly straight white males?

    And what was our major crime to you? By saying we would like to see more diversity and inclusiveness in this punk community and more political engaged bands. Wow. These people want punk to be more than music. How terrible. That we said we are bored of how things are and fuckers like you who think it is ok to hide behind a fake email address / ID & unmoderated comments to then attack our one female member. What does that say about you? It is fucking clear from here.

    Last thing – I recommend you shut the fuck up. Jokes over. If you are in Hobart (which we doubt) this is a small town and at some point you might realise that what you say here in the virtual world might just lead to concrete repercussions.

    • Easy there big fella with all your tough talk!

      You and your band are the ones that attacked me FIRST. All I did was call you out for the ‘middle class trust fund losers’ that you all clearly are, and look hows its descended. Lahh Rah or ‘Lara’ got personal with me FIRST but cant take a sledge back, no surprise as either can the rest of the band except maybe Jesse.

      Then Cal Tidey comes in threatening to rape me If I show up at the gig.
      How come everyone is ok with that?

      And now you Tim, the limp wristed little man that you are, are threatening me with ‘concrete repercussions’. That’s beyond pathetic.

  22. Wish I could say the same about you, Tim.

    So there you have it, folks.
    A band gives one of the most pretentious interviews in living memory and gets called out on it.
    What do they do? Go on the attack of course, just like the good fascists they are!
    The fact that you are all ok with threatening violence and sexual assault, as long as its for the ‘right’ reasons (IE- against me because of the nasty comment I made really speaks volumes about the ‘scene’ you all seem to want to control with an iron grip and at any cost.

    • I’ll give you one thing John Hotdog, you really are good at twisting everything around to your defense. You’re pretty good at playing the victim who starts out as a troll, inflating and misrepresenting comments to suit yourself and then turns it around once he gets put in his place or his comments don’t seem to have the desired affect on the person it was aimed towards. The readers of UB can see your every word and none of us are falling for it.
      Someone call the wahmbulance.

    • I’ll give you one thing John Hotdog, you really are good at twisting everything around to your defense. You’re pretty good at playing the victim who starts out as a troll, inflating and misrepresenting comments to suit yourself and then turns it around once he gets put in his place or his comments don’t seem to have the desired affect on the person it was aimed towards. The readers of UB can see your every word and none of us are falling for it.
      Someone call the wahmbulance.

      • Thanks Lampshade you raise some great points however I cant take credit for “hotdogs” comments.

        I think one could argue that this whole interview was set up to troll people and got exactly the desired effect, including the band playing the victim in the comment section, ignoring my “I’m trolling” comments and twisting/misrepresenting those particular comments in a way to excuse the violence and rape threats made towards me, all the while ignoring any other point I raised. You would think that these people, at least in theory, would be against the violent and sexually aggressive rhetoric they are throwing around but apparently not, but that shouldn’t be surprising that they are hypocrites.

  23. I’ll give you one thing John Hotdog, you really are good at twisting everything around to your defense. You’re pretty good at playing the victim who starts out as a troll, inflating and misrepresenting comments to suit yourself and then turns it around once he gets put in his place or his comments don’t seem to have the desired affect on the person it was aimed towards. The readers of UB can see your every word and none of us are falling for it.
    Someone call the wahmbulance.

  24. Boo hoo. Someone called john/hotdog a word he didn’t like. It’s unfair but this crybaby can take a sledge. Look he has even spent 30 comments to prove it – how big this poor sensitive little m.a.n. is.

    But I looked it up – fuckboy – “A fuckboy is the worst kind of guy, or at least one who represents the worst trends of the present moment.” or ” an incurable disease that leads to perpetual immaturity and disrespect towards most women” – you know if the cap fits you really should wear it dude.

    Saw this lot – in a free hyper elitist backyard in Moonah with Scabeater and Sick People. I agree with what others have said – great band, great energy, great people. Your attack is bizarre and deluded. Pinchgut don’t waste your energy on spineless losers like this, you must be doing something right for this spec of shit to waste so much time on you.

    And you Johnnyhotdog boy – go seek help, seriously if this is what you do to make you feel better about yourself or enjoyment to fill that void you call a life then you really really need help.

    • You got to try a bit harder than that Tim, you just used a lot of words to say nothing at all, although I will give you credit for at least admitting you are tiny and Insecure (about it)
      In fact you are so insecure about everything that you had to reply to Hotdogs and my comments, in a really vile and hateful way, threatening violence and promoting rape culture.

      Cant handle being called a middle class trust fund loser can ya (tiny) Tim?

      You are no better than the other (known) rapists that pollute the ‘scene’ down here but somehow get a free pass, you make me sick.

  25. You seem to have a grudge against the term ‘scene’ John Every(cis)man? Tell us more!

  26. So tell me john every(cis)man what is the difference between you and the arseholes harassing Vanessa Badham since the Q&A program?

    “Over the past two days I’ve been told hundreds of times that I’m fat, stupid, a retard, that I’m unfuckable, I’m a liar, a fraud, I’m mentally ill, I should be sent to a psychiatrist, I must be childless, I should be sterilised, I’m a bitch who should have her face smashed in.”

    Sound familiar?

    Hopefully you are just an attention seeker with a misplaced sense of what it means to be a man and not heading down this route –
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/03/online-trolling-women-domestic-violence – but if so go see a counsellor for the women who’s life you’ll make a misery and yourself

    • I’m glad you noticed CarrieAnnKnife, there’s practically no difference between me and Vanessa Badham. I can relate very well to the rape and violence threats directed at me on these very pages and the ones directed at Vanessa Badham, I’m in in solidarity with her.

      Please join me CarrieAnnKnife in calling out the horrible and vile threats of rape and violence made by scum like Lahh Rah, Tim, Ace and Cal Tidey.

  27. I know I’m a little late here, but umm I’m really not that john guy. It’s actually a little sad you would jump to that conclusion and lump me in with him, I suppose everyone who doesn’t agree %100 with your narrative is a troll caricature, so we may as well all be the same person or something?

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